Milk Replacer Recipe For Puppies

[ChubbyCheek]

Here is a puppy milk formula that I use in my kennel frequently...just want to share it with everyone, and hope that you find it useful.



Bottle Feeding Recipe

11 Calories per CC



10 oz. of canned evaporated milk or goat's milk (not pasteurized cow's milk - this will cause scowers - dogs cannot drink normal cow's milk) Goats milk is by far the best to use.


3 oz. sterilized water (baby water or boiled water) this is not needed if using goat's milk


1 raw egg yolk


1 cup of whole yogurt (avoid skim or fat free if at all possible)


1/2 Tsp Karo Syrup or Corn Syrup (NOT HONEY !!!)

Place ingredients in a blender and blend or use a wire whisk. Be careful to not over blend and create a milk shake full of bubbles and then tube bubbles into the puppy.

Keep cool and discard leftovers after 7 days.

Warm formula to body temperature (dogs are around 101 degrees). Discard any un-used formula. This is a thick mixture - use a stomach tube to tube feed or enlarge the hole in the nipple for easy access for the pup.


Weight Conversion Chart for Tubing Puppies

1/2 ounce formula = 15cc
1 ounce formula = 30cc
1 ounce = 28.3 grams

Puppy Weight *Formula Amount Puppy Weight *Formula
Amount

1 oz. = 28.3 grams 15cc daily 21 oz. = 594.3 grams 150cc daily
2 oz. = 56.6 grams 15cc daily 22 oz. = 622.6 grams 165cc daily
3 oz. = 84.9 grams 15cc daily 23 oz. = 650.9 grams 165cc daily
4 oz. = 113.2 grams 30cc daily 24 oz. = 679.2 grams 180cc daily
5 oz. = 141.5 grams 30cc daily 25 oz. = 707.5 grams 180cc daily
6 oz. = 169.8 grams 45cc daily 26 oz. = 735.8 grams 195cc daily
7 oz. = 198.1 grams 45cc daily 27 oz. = 764.1 grams 195cc daily
8 oz. = 226.4 grams 60cc daily 28 oz. = 792.4 grams 210cc daily
9 oz. = 254.7 grams 60cc daily 29 oz. = 820.7 grams 210cc daily
10 oz. = 283.0 grams 75cc daily 30 oz. = 849.0 grams 225cc daily
11 oz. = 311.3 grams 80cc daily 31 oz. = 877.3 grams 225cc daily
12 oz. = 339.6 grams 90cc daily 32 oz. = 905.6 grams 240cc daily
13 oz. = 367.9 grams 90cc daily 33 oz. = 933.9 grams 240cc daily
14 oz. = 396.2 grams 105cc daily 34 oz. = 962.2 grams 255cc daily
15 oz. = 424.5 grams 105cc daily 35 oz. = 990.5 grams 255cc daily
16 oz. = 452.8 grams 120cc daily 36 oz. = 1018.8 grams 270cc daily
17 oz. = 481.1 grams 120cc daily 37 oz. = 1047.1 grams 270cc daily
18 oz. = 509.4 grams 135cc daily 38 oz. = 1075.4 grams 285cc daily
19 oz. = 537.7 grams 135cc daily 39 oz. = 1103.7 grams 285cc daily
20 oz. = 566.0 grams 150cc daily 40 oz. = 1132.0 grams 300cc daily


*NOTE: USE 1/6 OF DAILY FORMULA AMOUNT PER TUBING. PUP SHOULD BE TUBED ABOUT EVERY 3 -4 HOURS.

[ChubbyCheek]

I highly recommend this milk formula if you have to hand rear your puppies. They put on weight very quickly, and it really helps them to thrive well.

This formula does not cause constipation or lbm(which can be dangerous for a newborn)...it does make them poop a lot :D

[michelle21ph]

para san po ung corn syrup? can i give milk replacer khit wla p po s 1 week old pups? kc wla na po milk ung mom konte nlng eh marami po sila. thanks.

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para san din po pala ung yogurt? is it ok if wla pong yogurt and corn syrup ung milk? just milk water and egg yolk?

[ChubbyCheek]

The corn syrup stops a pup from developing hypoglycemia...but it must be the clear colored corn syrup, not the dark brown one.
The yogurt has live cultures in it, and are essential for digestion, adding thickness, and volume to the mixture...not to mention natural calcium.
You must have the yogurt and corn syrup for this particular milk replacer recipe. It works very well, and will help a pup grow that you thought would die from not thriving.
You can give this to a pup of various ages, that need to put on weight, or for added calcium if you don't want to use supplements. I also this in the initial weaning process to solid foods, as the milk base. It is not good to give to a adult, because it will make them obese. Not to mention having to constantly make batches of it.
The only problem is that once the pups are on this stuff, they don't want anything else, and it can be difficult to wean them from this to start drinking water...they really resist coming off this milk. ;)

[michelle21ph]

tnx CC 7 kc anak ng shih tzu ko. and naubusan n sya milk..

[ChubbyCheek]

You are welcome michelle! Congrats on your babies! }l{ I know you are a busy mommy right now.

Here is another milk replacer formula...it omits the corn syrup, but still needs the yogurt. :)

Milk Replacer Formula:

10 oz. evaporated milk (whole fat or part skim -- do not use all skim) or goat's milk
3 oz. sterilized water (baby water or boiled water) -- delete if using goat's milk
1 egg yolk (raw)
2T regular mayonnaise (optional)
1 cup whole fat yogurt (whole fat or part skim -- avoid all skim)

Place all ingredients in a blender and mix (or use a wire whisk) till well blended. Use all formula within 7 days.

Warm formula to puppy body temperature before feeding. Always discard formula leftover at a feeding. This formula is thick and so is best administered by stomach tube. If using a bottle, you may need to enlarge the hole slightly. It provides 11 calories per cc.

[michelle21ph]

oh huhu wish i'v known the 2nd milk formula nakabili na po ako ng corn syrup syang nga po kc konte lng nmn klangan n corn syrup. anyways its ok basta maging healthy lng mga pups.. hehe oo nga po eh medyo busy have to feed them kasi para maging ok condition nila and wlang malnourished. thanks again CC..

oo nga po pla meron din po bang proper position pra hindi pumunta s lungs ung milk? ano po mga signs to stop d feeding? kc po may time na parang hindi sya makahinga oh well d ko lam if hindi tlg makahinga open lng po nya ung mouth nya. so stop ko po ung feeding pag gnon tpos feed ulit pag ok n sya. ano po magiging effect pag npunta s lungs ang milk? thanks

[pastel]

@michelle: congrats po sa new babies mo.......pero grabe.....7 puppies sa tzu? kala ko pinakamarami na ang 5 sa tzu.......si chuchay kasi 3 lang...un lang daw ung madalas na anak ng tzu.....

@ms.CC: ok din po ba ang milk na nabibili? kasi pinahanap ako ng vet ng esbilac.....wala naman ako makita. ang available lang sa pet shop sa min is lactol.....kaya lang ayaw din ng puppies....dont know kung dahil sa tsupon...kasi parang ang tigas......buy ko sya from bioreseach, pang puppies talaga....kaya kay chuchay ko na lang pinapainom......may milk naman sya n two lang naman sila share kaya ok lang.....naawa lang ako kay chuchay pag sobra humatak u itulak nung puppies mommy nila pag milk time na.:")

[ChubbyCheek]

oh huhu wish i'v known the 2nd milk formula nakabili na po ako ng corn syrup syang nga po kc konte lng nmn klangan n corn syrup. anyways its ok basta maging healthy lng mga pups.. hehe oo nga po eh medyo busy have to feed them kasi para maging ok condition nila and wlang malnourished. thanks again CC..

oo nga po pla meron din po bang proper position pra hindi pumunta s lungs ung milk? ano po mga signs to stop d feeding? kc po may time na parang hindi sya makahinga oh well d ko lam if hindi tlg makahinga open lng po nya ung mouth nya. so stop ko po ung feeding pag gnon tpos feed ulit pag ok n sya. ano po magiging effect pag npunta s lungs ang milk? thanks


Anytime michelle :D The proper position to feed a pup so that it limits the possibility of milk entering the lungs is to lay the pup on its tummy, and slightly elevate the pup from the chest, front legs, and head. So, they are in a crawling position but raised up a bit. After you feed them always burp them so they don't throw up. The way you burp is to hold then like a baby to your shoulder, or on your lap in crawl position and stroke their back from top to bottom...gently but constantly.
You will hear their tiny little burp. It is too cute. }l{
If they are nursing on mom, make sure that if they are laying on their side...that they are not getting too much milk.

The way you know they are getting too much milk is they may sneeze and it comes out of the nose.

If you are hand rearing them, you feel the belly and watch it..when it is taught you are done. Don't make them so full that they vomit.

The reason they being to gasp during feeding is because either the holes on the nipple are too large, or they are drinking too fast.
What you can do, is give a different nipple...the way to check that it is just right is to take the nipple and put your holes. Hold it upside down over the sink with some water inside. If the water leaks out by itself, then the holes are too big, and the pup will choke. If the nipple must be pressed before water comes out in small drips then it is just right. :D

If the nipple is just right, and yet they still gag when drinking...then you will have to let them nurse, pull the bottle out...give it back, pull it out, etc. It will force the pup to drink slowly. Lessing the chances of choking.

What happens when milk goes into the lungs...is it can cause the pup to contract pneumonia. The way you will know it hit the lungs is that it will come out of the nose and mouth, and the pup will not be able to breath.

What to do?? You take the pup and hold it upside down. Wipe all the milk from the nose and mouth, put the pup on your lap and use a rubber aspirator to clean the nose and back of throat out, freeing it from milk.
You buy a rubber aspirator from the baby section of any SM Supermarket, any baby store, or Mercury Drug Store (they have the best ones, completely rubber). This is a MUST have when you are hand rearing, because this happens from time to time.
Syphon the milk out of the nose and mouth till you can not get anymore. Make sure the pup is breathing ok again before putting him down. Make sure to give the pup a chance to recover its breath after each suctioning attempt. Squeeze the aspirator before inserting it into the pups nose or mouth.

Take the pup and put it under a heating light (light bulb). Keep it very warm, and watch it closely for more milk to come up. If you do these things, you probably will avoid pneumonia.

Pneumonia in a newborn is almost certain death if left unchecked. It will cause death in as fast as 24 hours after the inhalation of the milk to the lungs.

No worries, once you get the hang of it, it will become a breeze. Once the pups turn about 3 weeks old they will be nursing like champs. Their growth will be slower than nursing pups, so you may have to bottle feed them longer than if they were on mom. :cool:

[ChubbyCheek]

@pastel...yes pastel, you can use milk replacers like Esbilac, or A1 First Age Milk (Royal Canin). They are good for pups, you just have to tweak the recipe with water, till you find the right ratio of water to milk that does not cause constipation or diarrhea in your pups.

The only difference in commercial milk replacer's is that they are already prepared for you, and the calorie intake per cc is 1-2 calories. For the mixtures I listed above...you must prepare it, but the calorie intake is 11 calories per cc. So, the pups gain weight faster.

Both are good, but it is a choice...cause if you are busy, the making it on your own is not a good idea. ;)

I will make sure to carry milk replacers in the store...like the one from Royal Canin, and Esbilac. :cool:

[michelle21ph]

@pastel: oo nga po eh ang dami.. meron ako nabasa about sa shih tzu nkalagay maximum is 8pups and may nakapag sabi po sa akin na un po ang basis s greenmarks. pero im not sure. ngulat nga din ako sa anak nya kala ko 6 lang kc sobrang tagal ng interval tpos nagpapadede na ung mom den pagpasok ko nalang nkita ko may dinidilaan sya un pla may anak p sya nakasupot p nga po buti nlng nkita ko agad pero sya pinakamaliit sa lahat.. huhu sana mabuhay silang lahat...

naubusan agad ng milk ung mom and im using this formula para hindi sila malnourished.. thanks again CC for posting the formula..

[cathzsmile]

normal ba na maging parang ma-slimy ng kaunti yung poops nila? Kasi nag-lbm yung mga puppies last night kasi pina-inom nila ng milk with honey... kanina ginawa ko yung milk replacer recipe # 2 and I should say na hindi na naging sobrang fluid yung poops nila unlike last night and hindi na rin sila laging gutom simula kanina noong binigyan ko sila ng recipe mo CC. :hlp:

[pit bull]

ok lang ba gumamit ng promil lactose free + yogurt? yun kse gamit ko sa mga lap pups ko ngaun, matigas naman ang poop nila...

[ChubbyCheek]

I believe it is ok to give them the Promil & yogurt formula, just as long they are doing well on it.

[heaven]

question po... what kind of yogurt are you referring to? yung sa magnolia na yogurt na walang flavor? pwede po ba yun?saka yung evaporated milk po pwedeng yung mga alaska?

[nj.]

kaye mas maganda yung plain yogurt ...nestle may gawa nun .

[ChubbyCheek]

The yogurt must not be fat free (no good for recipe), it must be full yogurt and plain flavor. It can not have any type of flavor (no good for recipe).

Any evaporated milk is good if you feel the brand is agreeable in your opinion. You can never use a full cream milk in this recipe.

I use Nestle yogurt, it is the only one I can find locally that is plain, and whole. It is in the white container with blue top. I do not use the Magnolia.

[heaven]

The yogurt must not be fat free (no good for recipe), it must be full yogurt and plain flavor. It can not have any type of flavor (no good for recipe).

Any evaporated milk is good if you feel the brand is agreeable in your opinion. You can never use a full cream milk in this recipe.

I use Nestle yogurt, it is the only one I can find locally that is plain, and whole. It is in the white container with blue top. I do not use the Magnolia.

thanks po CC... angel gave birth to 4 pups last night :) i wanna try the recipe#2 bec you said thats it's easier for the pups to gain weight than with powdered milk formulas.. thanks po...

[debbieb]

The yogurt must not be fat free (no good for recipe), it must be full yogurt and plain flavor. It can not have any type of flavor (no good for recipe).

Any evaporated milk is good if you feel the brand is agreeable in your opinion. You can never use a full cream milk in this recipe.

I use Nestle yogurt, it is the only one I can find locally that is plain, and whole. It is in the white container with blue top. I do not use the Magnolia.

pwede pala yun... bilhan ko nga si poker non... thanks CC... di ko alam yun eh... :thanks::thanks::thanks:

[pit bull]

I also use nestle plain yogurt, yung tig P25 per small cup.

Sinubukan ko nung una yung yogurt na parang yakult na may flavor, ayun nag LBM sila...

[denbris2000]

Hi,

Regarding the above info on feeding directions.. Can you kindly clarify? Can you further elaborate by providing an example, as I cannot understand it, specifically such items below:

Puppy Weight*Formula Amount Puppy Weight*Formula Amount
1 oz.=28.3 grams 15cc daily 21 oz= 594.3 grams 150cc daily
2 oz.=56.6 grams 15cc daily 22 oz.=622.6 grams 165cc daily
3 oz.=84.9 grams 15cc daily 23 oz.=650.9 grams 165cc daily

Thanks!

[ChubbyCheek]

Hi,

Regarding the above info on feeding directions.. Can you kindly clarify? Can you further elaborate by providing an example, as I cannot understand it, specifically such items below:

Puppy Weight*Formula Amount Puppy Weight*Formula Amount
1 oz.=28.3 grams 15cc daily 21 oz= 594.3 grams 150cc daily
2 oz.=56.6 grams 15cc daily 22 oz.=622.6 grams 165cc daily
3 oz.=84.9 grams 15cc daily 23 oz.=650.9 grams 165cc daily

Thanks!

This is how it works:

You weigh the pup before every feeding for an accurate, and current weight
You find the closest weight on the listing provided and give accordingly.

For example:

The pup weighs 70 grams...you will feed him from the 2oz. feeding schedule...because you don't raise the pup from the 2oz feed, until he reaches 84.9 grams.
It specifies that the pup is to eat 15cc/15ml daily if this weight. So you determine how many times you plan to feed the pup per 24 hour period...and divide the 15cc/15ml amount evenly to determine the amount of feed per session.
So if you will feed the pup every 2 hours at 15cc/15ml per day...then that would be 12 feedings all in all. Taking 15 and dividing by 12 hours to come up with the amount of 1.25ml (one and a quarter) per feeding. That is all the pup would be able to eat at one feeding.

Every feeding, before you feed the pups...you must weigh them first, because usually a pup will gain weight on a daily or bi-daily basis.

[g0d5_g1ft]

There was a recipe I read somewhere for a puppy booster, this supposedly is given to weak puppies, giving them a little boost of life sorta. Anyone has this recipe? I cant find it anywhere.

edit: just found it dunno if I should post it here, its from a different site kasi.

[ChubbyCheek]

There was a recipe I read somewhere for a puppy booster, this supposedly is given to weak puppies, giving them a little boost of life sorta. Anyone has this recipe? I cant find it anywhere.

edit: just found it dunno if I should post it here, its from a different site kasi.

Post away :D

[g0d5_g1ft]

saw this at a site, baka kasi may mangailangan...

This formula is meant to be used on newborns who are chilled, weak or otherwise compromised. This formula should be administered every 1-2 hours (or more often) by stomach tube and the puppy should be warmed slowly. Once the puppy begins to maintain a normal body temperature, regular feeding can resume. NEVER FEED A CHILLED PUPPY MILK REPLACER.

*

8oz. lactated ringers solution or sterilized water
*

1 tablespoon white Karo syrup or white sugar (do not use honey)
OR
*

Substitute plain, unflavoured Pedialyte

Mix ingredients and warm to body temperature. Preferred administration is stomach tube (to ensure correct dosage). Feed ½ cc per 2 oz. of body weight once per hour. If puppy is very weak, you may half the dosage and feed twice as often. This formula should be followed up with milk replacer as soon as the puppy is maintaining normal body temperature. This formula should not be fed exclusively for more than 8 hours.

baka makasave tayo ng pups using this...

[g0d5_g1ft]

1 cup whole fat yogurt (whole fat or part skim -- avoid all skim)


by 1 cup you mean 1 cup that is bought or 1 cup as in measuring cup? I've decided to supplement feed my pups as Jajah is a bit reluctant in nursing her pups

[ChubbyCheek]

by 1 cup you mean 1 cup that is bought or 1 cup as in measuring cup? I've decided to supplement feed my pups as Jajah is a bit reluctant in nursing her pups

Measuring cup :cool:

[g0d5_g1ft]

ahhh ok thanks CC!!! in the absence of Karo, would white sugar do? I remember seeing a recipe that called for Karo syrup that said "or white sugar"...

[ChubbyCheek]

ahhh ok thanks CC!!! in the absence of Karo, would white sugar do? I remember seeing a recipe that called for Karo syrup that said "or white sugar"...

I would not substitute the karo personally. Not sure about the white sugar, have not seen anything about it as a alternative. But if you wanna experiment with the white sugar, please let us know how it turns out. Don't know how the formula would turn out with a really pure form of sugar.

[g0d5_g1ft]

ahhh I see Im much to scared to try to substitute anything now, i'll just make the formula without the Karo.

about the goats milk, is pasteurized goats milk ok? It what we got at MoA today.

[ChubbyCheek]

Yep, that type of goats milk should be fine. :D

[g0d5_g1ft]

Thanks CC, we just made a batch and the pups, love it... I have one weak pup who usually nurses on the mom but as of now wouldn't suck on the feeding bottle, Im monitoring this one little pup, might need to give her a booster.

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I saw this somewhere on the web,

for the Karo part, you can substitute 1 cup karo syrup = 1cup white sugar + 1/4cup water.

You boil and dissolve the sugar in water to get that syrup. Ive just made a batch and added it to my milk replacer, will update you guys if anything happens, good I hope. I could not find KARO anywhere, I tried the supermarkets here in baclaran, tried MoA too nada, thats why I decided to go ahead with the substitute.

[g0d5_g1ft]

I have a question,which is better between goats milk and evaporated milk? I ran out of goats milk for the formula and I just made a batch using evaporated milk. I use up a batch/day of the first recipe hehehe.

CC what are the dangers of giving more than the recommended feeding per meal and per day?

[ChubbyCheek]

I use the Carnation Evap milk, because I can never find goats milk. Our pups do great off the recipe. You just have to use water also, as the recipe calls for...when using the cows milk. Goats milk is just straight.

If you overfeed the pups, it is a high risk that they will vomit up the milk that won't fit. The problem with that is, when a pup that young vomits...it also inhales right back into the lungs...causing pnuemonia.
Another thing is if you are not around, and they vomit up the access milk...they can drown in it. They will not be able to breath through their nose or mouth, with milk coming out of both openings.

If this happens...suction them out quickly...hold them upside down and swing gently. Then make their bed area even hotter. It will make sure to dry out any milk that went into the lungs so it does not cause pnuemonia. Your biggest problem right now for the pups...besides a lack of bowel movements.

[g0d5_g1ft]

I use the Carnation Evap milk, because I can never find goats milk. Our pups do great off the recipe. You just have to use water also, as the recipe calls for...when using the cows milk. Goats milk is just straight.

If you overfeed the pups, it is a high risk that they will vomit up the milk that won't fit. The problem with that is, when a pup that young vomits...it also inhales right back into the lungs...causing pnuemonia.
Another thing is if you are not around, and they vomit up the access milk...they can drown in it. They will not be able to breath through their nose or mouth, with milk coming out of both openings.

If this happens...suction them out quickly...hold them upside down and swing gently. Then make their bed area even hotter. It will make sure to dry out any milk that went into the lungs so it does not cause pnuemonia. Your biggest problem right now for the pups...besides a lack of bowel movements.

I gave them their first batch using evap just now, I used Alaska evap as it is whats readily available, I just noticed, one of the pups pooped and it was wet, unlike its usual poop which was like paste, this one is really runny, could it be that I changed from goats milk to evap?

[ChubbyCheek]

I gave them their first batch using evap just now, I used Alaska evap as it is whats readily available, I just noticed, one of the pups pooped and it was wet, unlike its usual poop which was like paste, this one is really runny, could it be that I changed from goats milk to evap?

That is correct, it is the same concept as changing dog food. When you introduce something new with no integration then expect runny poo. Puppies are really sensitive to any change, maybe after 1 full day the pup should adjust to the new milk.

[papampam]

guys may i ask where can i buy goat's milk?

[g0d5_g1ft]

hi papampam, I got my goats milk at the SM Mall of Asia Hypermarket costs around 130/liter I think. The liter is only exactly 900ml hehehe. Any one knows where I can get KARO? im going nuts trying to find this stuff, SM used to have it but now that I need it I cant find the thing.

[ChubbyCheek]

I use to get it from SM Supermarket also. If not there, then Makro, EverSupermarket, etc. All the stores that carry imported goods, usually always have the white Karo syrup. But, you know how sometimes products can mysteriously disappear from the country without warning. :happyno:

[g0d5_g1ft]

1 oz. = 28.3 grams 15cc daily 21 oz. = 594.3 grams 150cc daily
2 oz. = 56.6 grams 15cc daily 22 oz. = 622.6 grams 165cc daily
3 oz. = 84.9 grams 15cc daily 23 oz. = 650.9 grams 165cc daily
4 oz. = 113.2 grams 30cc daily 24 oz. = 679.2 grams 180cc daily
5 oz. = 141.5 grams 30cc daily 25 oz. = 707.5 grams 180cc daily
6 oz. = 169.8 grams 45cc daily 26 oz. = 735.8 grams 195cc daily
7 oz. = 198.1 grams 45cc daily 27 oz. = 764.1 grams 195cc daily
8 oz. = 226.4 grams 60cc daily 28 oz. = 792.4 grams 210cc daily
9 oz. = 254.7 grams 60cc daily 29 oz. = 820.7 grams 210cc daily
10 oz. = 283.0 grams 75cc daily 30 oz. = 849.0 grams 225cc daily
11 oz. = 311.3 grams 80cc daily 31 oz. = 877.3 grams 225cc daily
12 oz. = 339.6 grams 90cc daily 32 oz. = 905.6 grams 240cc daily
13 oz. = 367.9 grams 90cc daily 33 oz. = 933.9 grams 240cc daily
14 oz. = 396.2 grams 105cc daily 34 oz. = 962.2 grams 255cc daily
15 oz. = 424.5 grams 105cc daily 35 oz. = 990.5 grams 255cc daily
16 oz. = 452.8 grams 120cc daily 36 oz. = 1018.8 grams 270cc daily
17 oz. = 481.1 grams 120cc daily 37 oz. = 1047.1 grams 270cc daily
18 oz. = 509.4 grams 135cc daily 38 oz. = 1075.4 grams 285cc daily
19 oz. = 537.7 grams 135cc daily 39 oz. = 1103.7 grams 285cc daily
20 oz. = 566.0 grams 150cc daily 40 oz. = 1132.0 grams 300cc daily


*NOTE: USE 1/6 OF DAILY FORMULA AMOUNT PER TUBING. PUP SHOULD BE TUBED ABOUT EVERY 3 -4 HOURS. [/b]


CC would this feeding guideline be applicable to any milk replacer? I mean like esbilac, puppy love, puppy gold, etc? I just picked up a 4lb container of K9 puppy gold and it doesnt have a feeding guideline like this one, it only has a formula for making a pint of the thing as a milk replacer.

[ChubbyCheek]

Nope, this chart would not apply to commercial diet milk replacers. If you check the charts on the other milks, it is different from this one.
I am not sure if it is because of the calorie content of the home made replacer...or thickness, or what. But, the other charts are different.

If it were me, I would try to follow the chart, and adjust the milk intake according to how they do. You will know it if you weigh them each meal. If they are not gaining weight properly...then you know to increase, etc.

[g0d5_g1ft]

Nope, this chart would not apply to commercial diet milk replacers. If you check the charts on the other milks, it is different from this one.
I am not sure if it is because of the calorie content of the home made replacer...or thickness, or what. But, the other charts are different.

If it were me, I would try to follow the chart, and adjust the milk intake according to how they do. You will know it if you weigh them each meal. If they are not gaining weight properly...then you know to increase, etc.

I see, I emailed the company asking them about the feeding guidelines, I dunno if they'll reply though, i have enough of the replacer to last until tomorrow then I'll start them up with the puppy gold. as always, thanks CC.

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does anyone have any clue what Calorie/N Ratio - 101:1 means? I saw this on the K9 puppy gold label Im trying to devise a way to compute how much of the thing to feed the pups based on this calorie thingy, but I've no idea what N is hahaha

[ChubbyCheek]

Hopefully they will answer. Usually companies are good about answering customers. :cool:

I wish I could tell you about the N...but I really don't know. :confused2: I think that the ratio thing is saying that the calorie is the normal 1 calorie per 1cc/ml for the commercial milk replacers.

[g0d5_g1ft]

Hopefully they will answer. Usually companies are good about answering customers. :cool:

I wish I could tell you about the N...but I really don't know. :confused2: I think that the ratio thing is saying that the calorie is the normal 1 calorie per 1cc/ml for the commercial milk replacers.

No answer yet but if it is 1calorie/1cc then this has way less calorie than the milk replacer i got off this site, that would equate to more feeding volume right?

I saw a general feeding guideline from lowchens, their table only bases the feeding on weight of the pups and amount to feed, no mention of caloric requirements for the pups.

[ChubbyCheek]

I know right!? As often as I have used commercial milk replacers...I never paid attention to the caloric intake per pup until I ran across that milk replacer with 11 calories per 1cc/ml. Then I started reading the milks to see that they only have 1 or 2 calories per cc/ml. Evident why the pups gain weight much slower on the commercial milk.

I peeked at that chart on Lowchen also. It seems general to me also...like they are taking into account any type of milk for the pups.

[g0d5_g1ft]

Hi CC im really confused now hahaha should I also take into consideration the calories? I mean I saw this table at peteducation:

Recommended Caloric Intake
Week calories/pound/day
1 60-69
2 70-79
3 80-89
4+ 90-100


currently my puppies are almost 1 kilo in weight, roughly 2 pounds and are now 13 days. Given the table, the pups should recieve 70 to 79 calories per pound per day, equating to about 140 to 160 calories a day. If I assume my milk replacer (puppy gold) has 1calorie/ml, it would mean I need to feed the 160 ml/day divided into 6 feedings that I do. thats roughly 27ml per feeding. But considering the milk replacer that has 11calories/ml and follow their feeding guidelines for 905.6grams (240cc/day) that would mean I'd be giving a whopping 2640 calories per day. if I give 240cc of a 1cal/ml replacer it would still only be 240cals/day or 480cals if it was a 2cal/ml replacer. To match that much calories id need to give 240ml per feeding of the 1cal/ml milk replacer hahah

Also when they say week 1 it means days 1 to 7 of the pups life right? not days after the pup becomes 1 week old (ie days 8 to 13) and before becoming 2 weeks old.

Am I over thinking things CC? :confused2:

[ChubbyCheek]

Hi CC im really confused now hahaha should I also take into consideration the calories? I mean I saw this table at peteducation:

Recommended Caloric Intake
Week calories/pound/day
1 60-69
2 70-79
3 80-89
4+ 90-100


currently my puppies are almost 1 kilo in weight, roughly 2 pounds and are now 13 days. Given the table, the pups should recieve 70 to 79 calories per pound per day, equating to about 140 to 160 calories a day. If I assume my milk replacer (puppy gold) has 1calorie/ml, it would mean I need to feed the 160 ml/day divided into 6 feedings that I do. thats roughly 27ml per feeding. But considering the milk replacer that has 11calories/ml and follow their feeding guidelines for 905.6grams (240cc/day) that would mean I'd be giving a whopping 2640 calories per day. if I give 240cc of a 1cal/ml replacer it would still only be 240cals/day or 480cals if it was a 2cal/ml replacer. To match that much calories id need to give 240ml per feeding of the 1cal/ml milk replacer hahah

Also when they say week 1 it means days 1 to 7 of the pups life right? not days after the pup becomes 1 week old (ie days 8 to 13) and before becoming 2 weeks old.

Am I over thinking things CC? :confused2:

Hi, so many computations I'm dizzy already :-@ Ok, first off week 1 is just as you said the first 7 days of the pups life. Those charts are merely guidelines for you to start with and are only suggestions. You would have to be the one to adjust it accordingly. Using the commercial milks you really just have be aware that the pups will not grow as quickly because of the less caloric content. There is nothing you can do about it and overfeeding just to meet the suggested ratio of a chart is not healthy for the pups.

There is nothing wrong with just using the puppy gold just adjust it so you can see the pups are growing steadily. This is achieved by weighing Every feeding of Every day. The homemade formula is just formulated for faster growth rate for weak puppies.

[g0d5_g1ft]

Hi, so many computations I'm dizzy already :-@ Ok, first off week 1 is just as you said the first 7 days of the pups life. Those charts are merely guidelines for you to start with and are only suggestions. You would have to be the one to adjust it accordingly. Using the commercial milks you really just have be aware that the pups will not grow as quickly because of the less caloric content. There is nothing you can do about it and overfeeding just to meet the suggested ratio of a chart is not healthy for the pups.

There is nothing wrong with just using the puppy gold just adjust it so you can see the pups are growing steadily. This is achieved by weighing Every feeding of Every day. The homemade formula is just formulated for faster growth rate for weak puppies.

Im following now the same amounts as in the milk replacer here, they're still growing so I guess that's good. The only qualms I have about puppy gold is that its one fatty/oily thing, I get "sebo" on the bottles when it cools down, is esbilac like this? This formula also doesnt look like milk hahaha, doesnt smell like milk at all, it smells sort of like pinipig hehehe. it doesnt mix well with water too, I used almost boiling water just to try to get it to mix well but alas its too oily and right after you mix the thing, you can see 2 factions of liquid heheh, I have to stir the thing before putting it in the feeding bottles to be heated.

After all that whining about the product, i still say its a good product, the pups are doing great on it, they're steadily growing, poop is so much better and they seem to have more energy, they crawl faster now. Ive been only giving the thing for 2 days, yesterday and today. I hope the pups learn to stand na, then the mayhem begins hahaha... for bullies, about when do they start to walk/stand?

[Antoine]

Hi CC im really confused now hahaha should I also take into consideration the calories? I mean I saw this table at peteducation:

Recommended Caloric Intake
Week calories/pound/day
1 60-69
2 70-79
3 80-89
4+ 90-100


currently my puppies are almost 1 kilo in weight, roughly 2 pounds and are now 13 days. Given the table, the pups should recieve 70 to 79 calories per pound per day, equating to about 140 to 160 calories a day. If I assume my milk replacer (puppy gold) has 1calorie/ml, it would mean I need to feed the 160 ml/day divided into 6 feedings that I do. thats roughly 27ml per feeding. But considering the milk replacer that has 11calories/ml and follow their feeding guidelines for 905.6grams (240cc/day) that would mean I'd be giving a whopping 2640 calories per day. if I give 240cc of a 1cal/ml replacer it would still only be 240cals/day or 480cals if it was a 2cal/ml replacer. To match that much calories id need to give 240ml per feeding of the 1cal/ml milk replacer hahah

Also when they say week 1 it means days 1 to 7 of the pups life right? not days after the pup becomes 1 week old (ie days 8 to 13) and before becoming 2 weeks old.

Am I over thinking things CC? :confused2:

I've used k9 puppy gold on my last 2 litters but but only used it for 2 weeks as a starter formula then made the switch to leerburg formula. From my experience, I just gave them enough formula until they were full. I tube feed btw.. It's pretty much same amounts as leerburg's charts. Hope this helps.

If you will aim for the calories leerburg recommends, You will tube a lot, and i mean a lot of formula since it has a lot less calories than the leerburg formula.

[g0d5_g1ft]

I've used k9 puppy gold on my last 2 litters but but only used it for 2 weeks as a starter formula then made the switch to leerburg formula. From my experience, I just gave them enough formula until they were full. I tube feed btw.. It's pretty much same amounts as leerburg's charts. Hope this helps.

If you will aim for the calories leerburg recommends, You will tube a lot, and i mean a lot of formula since it has a lot less calories than the leerburg formula.


hey antoine, thanks for this info, I did the exact opposite, I started them out with the leerburg formula, mainly because the puppy gold stocks where out, and they just arrived last sunday, or was rather released by customs last sunday. Have you had difficulties mixing this thing? hehehe I mean its like a suspension rather than a smooth mix. And the oils hahaha but given the reviews Im hoping to get the best out of this thing.

[Antoine]

hey antoine, thanks for this info, I did the exact opposite, I started them out with the leerburg formula, mainly because the puppy gold stocks where out, and they just arrived last sunday, or was rather released by customs last sunday. Have you had difficulties mixing this thing? hehehe I mean its like a suspension rather than a smooth mix. And the oils hahaha but given the reviews Im hoping to get the best out of this thing.

If you're having difficulty mixing it, it means it's an old stock or it was exposed to extreme heat temperatures. Like "nabilad sa araw" or something. This should mix smoothly with slightly warm water.

The reviews are great, but if you ask me it's just like leerburg. I just give this because I still have stock. and to avoid constipation as well. =)

Good luck on your new puppies!!!!! Don't forget to post pics! =)

[g0d5_g1ft]

If you're having difficulty mixing it, it means it's an old stock or it was exposed to extreme heat temperatures. Like "nabilad sa araw" or something. This should mix smoothly with slightly warm water.

The reviews are great, but if you ask me it's just like leerburg. I just give this because I still have stock. and to avoid constipation as well. =)

Good luck on your new puppies!!!!! Don't forget to post pics! =)

I see, mine may have been exposed to high heat, coz it doesnt mix well, well it does mix but its like a suspension it looks more like "am" than milk hahaha, anyway once i finish this container im going to put them back on the leerburg formula. Thanks antoine. I'll post pics of them once they start standing up, they're almost standing na, or they're trying heheh

[g0d5_g1ft]

I tried yet another incarnation of this recipe using carnation evap now. and I was surprised to see how thick the formula is compared to when I was using goats milk or alaska evap. There's a whole heck of a lot of bubbles and after refrigirating the thing, a thick layer forms on top thats like melted ice cream with some bubbles. is it really that thick? I blend the thing for about 5 seconds then stop, any more than that I think I'll have icing on my hands hahaha

When I used to put goats milk it was never this thick, is it because of the carnation evap? hehehe SM Mall of Asia and SM Sucat ran out of goats milk, so I had to use carnation because CC mentioned she's using carnation.

[ChubbyCheek]

If you are using cow's milk (evap)...then you also have to add the amount of water it calls for on the recipe. No additional water is needed when using goats milk, because it is thin enough.

Whenever you make the formula, only use a wire wisk or fork to mix it up. Carefully to avoid many bubbles. Don't use a blender to make it this way...it will be a disaster.

There will be quite a bit of bubbles right after you make it. Most of these will go away when it sits in the fridge. But it is just how the cow's milk does.

If the pups were being tube fed...you will have to pump the syringe to remove bubbles before tubing the pups. If you were using a bottle, then the pups would surely have to be burped afterwards.

Since they are big enough to lap it up...it won't be too much of a problem for them...they are already gulping plenty of air with each mouthful. :cool:

[g0d5_g1ft]

If you are using cow's milk (evap)...then you also have to add the amount of water it calls for on the recipe. No additional water is needed when using goats milk, because it is thin enough.

Whenever you make the formula, only use a wire wisk or fork to mix it up. Carefully to avoid many bubbles. Don't use a blender to make it this way...it will be a disaster.

There will be quite a bit of bubbles right after you make it. Most of these will go away when it sits in the fridge. But it is just how the cow's milk does.

If the pups were being tube fed...you will have to pump the syringe to remove bubbles before tubing the pups. If you were using a bottle, then the pups would surely have to be burped afterwards.

Since they are big enough to lap it up...it won't be too much of a problem for them...they are already gulping plenty of air with each mouthful. :cool:



Yep CC i added the 3oz water whenever I use evap, I guess its really a wrong move to use the blender hahaha much work too, coz my blender cant accomodate two servings of this formula, and whenever I make a batch its always 2 servings it only lasts about 24 hrs, if im only to use a fork or a whisk i can make this in a big mixing bowl yeah that'd be a lot easier lol why didnt I think of that, hahaha...

Thanks CC

[ChubbyCheek]

Hehehehe, you are welcome. :D Yep, that is what we do also...use a big mixing bowl to make a batch that will last for days, cause boy do the pups eat their way through that milk. They really love the taste of it, so much. :tongue1:

[scotlandyard]

thanks sa info :)