Puppy Mills and Pet Stores

[lakaybully]

Puppy mills are breeding facilities that produce purebred or crossbred puppies in large numbers.

Often the puppies are sold directly to the public via the Internet, newspaper ads, or at the mill itself. In other cases they are sold to brokers and pet shops across the country.

Problems of puppy mills include: overbreeding, inbreeding, minimal veterinary care, poor quality of food and shelter, lack of human socialization, overcrowded cages and the killing of unwanted animals.

For the unwitting consumer, this situation frequently means buying a puppy facing an array of immediate veterinary problems or harboring genetic diseases that surface years later.

Learn more about how to avoid buying a puppy mill dog, and take the pledge to stop puppy mills today.

Some very important links you may consider before buying a puppy.


http://stoppuppymills.org/

http://www.prisonersofgreed.org/

http://www.videojug.com/film/puppy-mills-and-pet-stores

or you can just type “puppy mills” in google.:D

[japongs_17]

wow thanks for the info... at least malaman ng ibang members dito...

[ChubbyCheek]

This is one reason that I am not offering any pets for sale at my store right now.

Maybe in the future, when we can offer proper facilities for them, so they don't have to be in a cage 24/7, and the cats in a proper area (hate to see a cat in a cage)...then we will consider it.

I am too particular how I like to have my animals taken care of...probably why the maids don't like to do it. Many look at them as just animals. Yes they are, but they did not ask to be in the situation we as people put them in, and they can not care for themselves while living with us.
So, I remind them...would you want to sleep on top of your feces? Would you want to smell your waste all day? Would you want to be cramped and unable to move around 24/7? NO right? So make sure you care for my animals like I say, not like you prefer.

Having a kennel, and raising the pups on our own is a full time job...they are very demanding and expensive to raise and own.
I can not imagine having a ton of dogs, and breeding them all!! I can't even breed the few I have on their scheduled heats...I have to carefully plan, to make sure that the pups will come at a good time so we can concentrate on them fully.

There are some petshops that are awesome the way they care for the pets. It has become a trend in many stores in the way they have started keeping the animals. I have my own vision, so until it can be fully realized. I won't be keeping any animals there at my place, if not done right...you can really become stigmatized with a bad label.

[lakaybully]

i’ve seen one of these before somewhere in tarlac. we were driving looking for a particular dog food, along the road we saw a sub-divided cage with 5 or 6 different puppies. We stopped as I was curious what breed are those. as i approach the smell is awful, puppies were look exhausted and then the caretaker came to ask me (if I’m interested to buy one) I pretended to be and asking for an EB. He said, “we don’t have stock at the moment but if you want we can order it in 3 or 4 days…” i told him i want to see the parents of the pup then he stopped as he was disappointed. i diverted the topic by asking him what he’s feeding to them because i saw he was holding a bucket, i saw some rice on it with water… he said these puppies will eat proper food when buyer or new owner will have them.

can’t believe people doing business this way, no affection to what they are selling, they don’t even aware those dogs will be a member of human’s family. they don’t care at all. the best way to stop this is never buy from them and perhaps the least is barking on the RP senate or congress. heheheh! :-@

one more thing, how about a puppy who came from a loving & careful breeder but end up selling it to a broker or pet shop or puppy mill… do you think this is happening? is there any issue with that? or perhaps most daunting question is who’s to blame? :-s

[Deydey]

In deference to those who have ventured into selling pets in stalls I really would have to caution some who would like to know more about this subject to have an open mind.

I am against puppy mills, in fact I have an office mate who had one before and man the dogs he were selling me were really not that good as he claimed to be until his stock got plagued by distemper.

On the side of people who have petshops, I have witnessed some owners turn away puppies being sold to them by unscrupulous breeders. I saw one guy selling a micro-pin, on account of the way the puppy looked it was turned down by the pet shop owner.

If you go around Cartimar you'll get to see some of the shops there that are really good and some are even air conditioned and you can see the temperament of the puppies while they are in their cage.

You also have to talk to the proprietors and gauge the way the pet shop owners carry themselves don't be afraid to ask question it's your right. I usually turn my back on arrogant sellers when I get ask a pointed question and their brows start to frown I just say "Ah ganon ba" then I leave.

It's best that one use their own senses to determine whether a stall is being operated by dodgy proprietor. Although what you will read in the links are merely guides to make us all aware that there are people out there who would take advantage of a prospective pet owner who is not properly informed.

You take it easy

Peace :)

[ChubbyCheek]

I do not think that breeders who spend a lot into their dogs would sell to a petshop. For the simple reason, that a petshop buys the pups at very odd type of arrangement. The pup must have a set number of shots given by a vet,medical records, and papers...yet should be a certain age, and healthy...but they are only willing to pay you per the amount they deem the breed is good for.
Say you have champion sired, very good quality mini dachshunds. You go to sell it to the petshop...they will only buy it for 1,500-2,000 php. Yet they will sell the pup for about 5x that amount. The buyer is not even getting back the money they spent on the pup for shots, or any other expense they incurred while raising the litter. Which are many expenses depending on circumstances.

I think the only ones really selling to petshops are those in a fix that can not keep the pups, in financial hardship, or they breed many animals of different kinds, and are only spending very minimal on the care of the pup. Sometimes you will see some very good quality pups for sale at some petstores. Most of the time this is not the case however. That is more of the exception, and not the rule.

This is a worldwide problem, and I don't know how to fix it :-s but one thing is for certain...it exists.

I do not know how petshops became the "new" targeted "puppymill" outlets by animal rights activists. It does seem that is a bit unfair, when many petshops (as Deydey mentioned) have high standards, and care for the pups/kittens,etc. well.
Yet, you will find many that stigmatize all petshops that sell pets as "bad". I just think some people have a need to find something to hate on, no matter what.
I would hate to see petshops stop selling animals...that is kinda what they were meant for in the first place (I think?) To make pets looking for families more available to be seen, touched, etc. A lot of people go to the petstore just to see the animals.

I have been asked countless times will we sell pets at our store, and have to keep saying no at least no time in the near future...but all these inquires about it really says something about the average mindset of ordinary people. :)

[lakaybully]

agree it’s a worldwide problem and can’t be solved overnight. like selling illegal drugs, it has been prohibited long time ago but still that “business” is carry on booming heheheh! i just hope people in PCCI or any authority concern are responsive enough to outline tougher guidelines for breeding and selling puppies to minimize this dubious scheme.

i don’t know what’s wrong with me but i think i will never buy a puppy from a pet store. especially those caged for ages and looks tired entertaining other visitors. i feel unnatural… i personally prefer going to a breeder’s place, look around, meet the mom & dad of the pup if possible, see the pup play the usual, talk to the breeder like a friend and not like a business person and i want to see the breeder’s face as i take home one of his/her pup. ;)

[heaven]

haaay! last last week I went to cartimar to buy eagle pack, since I was in school (taft) I decided to go there sice it is just 1 ride fom Taft Ave. It's my first time! and I was isappointed to see those dogs caged in a small pen! some of the rotties that I saw looks so weak ad looks so thirsty, they don't have water to drink inside the pen! how could this people take the situation of the poor animals that they are selling for the sake of MONEY!!!

[SuperMarie]

Problems of puppy mills include: overbreeding, inbreeding, minimal veterinary care, poor quality of food and shelter, lack of human socialization, overcrowded cages and the killing of unwanted animals.




Good day po!
Sorry for my ignorance. But the kennels that I had visited so far has Overcrowded cages. Are they still consider as a Puppy Miller?
And in inbreeding, maggiging masakitin po ba yung mga aso?
(Because lately, I bought a beagle. And the Dam and the Sire are half sister / brother. But his parents are ok and they are gorgeous.)

[ChubbyCheek]

I can't really agree with that statement that inbreeding is a type of breeding done exclusively by puppymillers. This is practiced by the biggest kennel names in this world to get better quality dogs/cats, etc. to add to the existing lines of breeds here now.
This is a practice that pioneered the breeds we know and love today. It is not possible to create a breed exclusively using outside sources...parents will have to be bred to offspring, siblings to siblings, etc. in order to secure the desired breed that you are trying to create. The original gene pool of most any breed of today came only from a handfull of the original stock of inbred adults.

I think the article that reruk quoted is saying that if done habitually it should be deemed a bad thing.
If done habitually, all your stock will become deformed, high mortality rate, sterile and eventually die out.

If done incorrectly, or with the wrong stock...you will create more problems in a breeding line than you can imagine. There is a very precise scientific approach to inbreeding, but it is practiced and widely used.
If done properly you could end up with excellent quality stock. :cool:

[mallows]

i hate mills and byb...:mad::mad::mad: sana sila n lng paanakin then ibenta anak nila:mad::mad:

[jw44]

i hate mills and byb...:mad::mad::mad: sana sila n lng paanakin then ibenta anak nila:mad::mad:

wag naman ganon...

kawawa bata...

[mallows]

^ bahala na si batman:mad:

[<)))<]

would you buy a puppy from them just to save their lives?


me...yes and i did twice:")

[jw44]

would you buy a puppy from them just to save their lives?


me...yes and i did twice:")

opinion lang...
you save 2 lives there pero you encouraged the puppy mills to do better "production"... mas lalala di ba?

[<)))<]

opinion lang...
you save 2 lives there pero you encouraged the puppy mills to do better "production"... mas lalala di ba?

is that it?you think sino ang mas masaya yung puppy na na save or yung miller na nakabenta?

[myhoney]

parehong masaya.

pero pano un iba na hindi mo binili?anong ginagawa ng mga miller sa kanila? ma sasave mo rin ba sila?
i think point ni jw44 is if u buy pups from puppy mills youre supporting their business...and whatever it is that theyre doing and not doing.

dahil sa pera na pinambayad mo sa kanila..makakapagpatuloy ang maling gawain. altho yes u saved the life of one puppy..but you cant do the same for the rest.

[jw44]

^gets mo ko, myhoney...

you saved 2 lives there by buying the 2 pups...

pero... when you supported their activities, you just encouraged them to "produce" more "products" which will most likely end up living miserable lives... so parang mas marami ang magsusuffer...

just my 2 cents...:)

[debbieb]

i agree with you jw44... =+=+=+ so dapat yung mga ganyan hindi natin sinusupport...

[mallows]

i agree with jw44:rolleyes:

[heaven]

just dont buy from petshops and mills... lalo na sa cartimar! waaah! grabe talga dun... tambak mga aso! nakakainis!:'-(

[heaven]

oo nga no? diba dapat kahit pano naman may protection ang mga pets sa ganyan..

[debbieb]

pag napapadaan ako sa mga petshops.. naaawa ako sa mga puppies don... hindi talaga sila naaalagaan ng maayos... at yung iba parang may mga sakit na...

[<)))<]

oo nga..wala ba magagawa mga pet orgs dun?

sana naman hindi lang sila puro show...but rescue din...:-s

[jw44]

one way to know if their taken well properly is just by looking at their nails... if you find it too long and sharp, you just know what they do when they close their stores.....:rolleyes: